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Liability Insurance
Posted: 16 Jan 07 6:04 PM Modified By LionsPride07  on 1/16/2007 6:09:22 PM)

Hello! I was wondering if we anyone had the opportunity to build their playground at an elementary school? If so, was your school district willing to pay for the liability insurance? If not, how did you obtain liability insurance for your playground/playspace? Our district said they are not in the playground building business; however, they are the owners of the land and ultimately will be held responsible for any accidents. There only issue is that they do not want to pay for the insurance, which the PTO agreed to pay for it but we are having trouble getting liability insurance. Does anyone know anything about the liability insurance that would be willing to explain it to us? Maybe I'm not asking the insurance companies the right questions. Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated, especially since this is one of the major obstacles preventing us from moving forward with the project.
Thanks so much, ~Jen, Nicole and Dan

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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 20 Jan 07 11:58 AM Modified By KaBOOM Amy  on 1/30/2007 1:31:03 PM)

I'm going to ask around the office and see if I can get you some helpful hints. Has anyone else run into this?

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The folks around here deal with insurance a different scale so I'm having trouble getting something useful for you. In the meantime, you are getting an awful lot of great ideas from folks who have already been through this.

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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 29 Jan 07 12:34 PM

Our District is strapped for cash when it comes to playground projects because building a playground for us means that we would have to eventually build for the other 80+ elementary schools in our district.

However, when approached in the sense that the district is saving $30,000 plus in equipment, it doesn't make sense to not pony up the insurance cost (minimal) since it is simply being added to the school grounds which are already paid on anyways.

Hope it works out for you. Start with contacting someone in Maintenace and see if they can direct you up the ladder that will get you the signature you need. Hope it all worlks out for you.

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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 29 Jan 07 7:11 PM

So I guess I will be learning about the liability insurance issue later, but my focus is also with the public schools, and I am interested to know about this issue so I can be prepared when I get to that point...I will talk to someone in maintenance as soon as I return from UPLAY!... WOW! another hurdle, huh...?

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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 29 Jan 07 8:36 PM
Hello kaybattle! Yeah it does seem extremely overwhelming huh? The liability issue should be covered under the school district as xsanchez said. Its hard to explain but our district said they are not in the playground business and ultimately they are responsible if anything happens on the playground. However, they don't want to pay for the insurance and other schools from our district had the same issue. One school that went through the KaBOOM! program, had to get insurance coverage from their local CDC (Community Development Center). I don't quite understand why they had too get the insurance...that's what I am trying to figure out. But everyone has been helpful and we really appreicate your time and information. It is a roadblock but don't get discouraged. One thing we tried starting off with was talking to the facility department in our school district. We are still waiting for them to get back to us. Whatever we find out, we will be more than happy to help and keep in contact with your. Hang in there and we'll help each other out. Talk to you soon or see you in New Orleans at the U Play Conference.

~Jen and Nicole
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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 02 Feb 07 4:03 PM
I actually have a contact in the General Counsel's office for the school district.  She shared that another school tried with KABOOM but the only roadblock was that the land that they wanted to build on wasn't 100% the property of the school system.  So that was a little relief to hear. I told her that as I begin this process, I would definitely keep her in the loop.  BTW - she's one of my parents also! (stakeholder :))
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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 04 Feb 07 9:07 AM
Updated information on our insurance issue. We had a meeting with the facilities department in our school district. They wrote a letter back to us stating that we need insurance for non school hours. So we would need insurance for after school and on the weekends, which will be paid for by our PTO. When we talk to insurance companies, they state that the land is owned by the school district so they are ultimately responsible for paying for the insurance. However, the school district refuses to cover it during non-school hours. If anyone else that is building a playground for thier school and was able to obtain insurance, please let us know what company you used to purchase the insurance and who you talked too. We've tried calling schools around our area that are in the process of obtaining playgrounds and some that already have playgrounds but we haven't heard anything back yet. What do you do when you want to ask a simple question and people won't get back to you. Some people on my team think we shouldn't call back again because we might anger them but all I want to know is what company their insurance is covered by. Anyone have any suggestions?

~Jen
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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 18 Feb 07 11:22 AM
HELLO Everyone! If you are a school that is trying to get insurance for a playground project, you might want to look at the PTO Today website http://ptotoday.com and find AIM - Associates Insurance Management http://www.aim-companies.com/index.jsp. Thanks to our other Pittsburgh Public School District school Colfax Elementary PTO, we were able to obtain this information. Another insurance company used for another project was Deforio Mongell and Associates. AIM is nationwide but I'm not sure about the other company. Anyhow, I hope this information helps others who come across the insurance obstacle. And a special thanks to Meryl, Gretchen, and Alicia for providing us with this valuable information!

~Jen
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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 21 Feb 07 11:25 PM Modified By ps_lifeisgood  on 2/21/2007 11:30:50 PM)

I came up against the insurance issue at our playground meeting Mon. night.  There is a group of parents who put the playground committee together so it isn't technically under the PTO as of yet.  A few people at the meeting expressed that they feel if they help build the playspace that  they can be named in a lawsuit if a child is injured while playing on the equipment. Does anyone know if we are building the playground on the school property do we need separate liability insurance?  The PTO won't be listed as the organization doing the build.  It will be parents and a few teachers.  I am a teacher at the school and wonder if I should take out an umbrella insurance policy to cover myself?

 

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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 22 Feb 07 2:49 PM

From Randi K:

Thinking off the top of my head, once the project is deeded over to the school it has passed an inspection and becomes the property of the school like anything else.  If your group purchased desks and chairs I don't think you would be held accountable if a child fell off of them.  I would think that once the property is signed over to the school district, any libility is theirs.  With that said, I always take out an umbrella policy for events because it's required as part of my association's due diligence with our insurance carrier.  The extra $100 is well worth any day of event issue that might come up.  Keep us posted on what answer you receive.

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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 24 Feb 07 12:28 PM
Hello ps_lifeisgood! The school district is ultimately responsible for liability of the playground. If a child falls or gets hurt on the playground, the school district owns the land so they are ultimately responsible. We are still in the middle of obtaining our insurance for after-school hours and on the weekends including events. Our PTO is paying for the extended insurance but the school will be held responsible if anything happens because they own the land. I'll try giving you more information once we figure out what we are doing. We should have an answer by the end of this week. Talk to you soon.

~Jen
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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 24 Feb 07 9:15 PM

Jen

Thanks for the info.  I look forward to hearing what your group finds out.  We have many concerned parents but everyone is getting more encouraged with the idea of a community build.

Looks like your group is making good progress!

ps_lifeisgood

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Re: Liability Insurance
Posted: 23 Mar 07 3:59 PM
We got our insurance certificate FINALLY!
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