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imgOfflineflowerbill1952
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Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 10 Jul 07 9:35 AM

Saw the link on shade structures and wanted to put my $.02 in for using trees for shade.  This works particularly good if they are planted on the south and west side of the playground.  I'm the tree guy in our town as well as the playground guy. So I thought I'd suggest a few super trees that are tough and fast growing

'Accolade' Elm- this hybrid elm grows 3 to four feet a year for us and doesn't seem to need watering after the 1st year even in dry spells.  It is resistant to Dutch Elm disease and Phloem Necrosis- the two big problems with American Elm.  Grows fast to 50 feet tall and wide.  Classic Vase shape of an American Elm.

'Homestead' Elm- another new elm variety with elcellent disease resistance and fast growth- this one grows a little more upright than the first.  Can reach 36 feet tal and 25 feet wide in 12 years.

'Bloodgood' London Plane Tree- A fast growing disease resistant hybrid of the asian sycamore and american sycamore.  Grows to 70 feet tall and equal or greater width.

Willow Oak (Quercus phellos)- for us in Maryland this is by far and away the fastest growing of the oaks.  Easily reaches 60' or more tall and wide.

Japanese Pagoda Tree- Fast growth to50 to 75' tall and wide.  Creamy white chains of flowers in July.

Japanese Zelkova- many named varieties to choose from.  Looks quite alot like an elm.  Grows quickly to 50 to 60 feet tall and wide.

All of these will grow one or two climate zones colder than here in Maryland.

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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 10 Jul 07 10:36 AM

This is GREAT information! Thanks so much for sharing, I will definitely be using this advice in communities and playspaces throughout the country.

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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 13 Jul 07 11:16 PM

Trees are a safety hazard – stay away from that thought. Invest in a shade structure - they're low maintenance and some manufacturers are now guaranteeing them for as much as 7 years.

http://www.creativesystems.com

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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 14 Jul 07 12:52 AM
I'm afraid I'm going to have to argue against this idea....well maintained trees are not only NOT a safety hazard, they add intrinsic value (by creating atmosphere and ambience) as well as solid water conservation and habitat for local animals.  Trees obviously should be carefully placed so they don't become a de facto climbing structure.  They can be placed in a manner that allows them to provide shade without being directly overhead (place against the setting sun, for instance).  And, they are your best friend for reducing the problems of water run off.  A mature tree can soak up hundreds of gallons of water that would simply run down storm drains and they become water storage for the surrounding area.  Considering the fact many areas have drainage problems, this is a completely natural and effective way of finding a solution.  It's bad enough that kids are inside so much, it's bad enough that they must make do without natural settings for play, calling trees a hazard is just...well, I can't even find the words.  Replacing shade structures, even if done every seven years, is much more costly than developing a natural shade system.  People will also be more likely to adopt a tree than to adopt a shade structure when it comes to developing long term maintenance commitments.
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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 17 Jul 07 8:51 AM
 creativesystems wrote

Trees are a safety hazard – stay away from that thought. Invest in a shade structure - they're low maintenance and some manufacturers are now guaranteeing them for as much as 7 years.

http://www.creativesystems.com

I can't even believe you wrote that- I'm too blown away by the post to calmly respond.  You sell equipment, right?

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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 18 Jul 07 1:14 PM Modified By merrywbee  on 7/18/2007 1:17:22 PM)
Actually, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and raise some points that perhaps some people might not have thought about.  Improperly chosen and improperly placed trees ARE a safety hazard... over time, trees that have roots on the surface create a trip hazard for little feet running across the woodchips...nothing worse than tripping and slamming your face into a post or another piece of equipment.  Trees that drop leaves-- ask yourself where are the leaves going to drop?  If this tree was planted for shade, then chances are in time the branches will be reaching over the decks of the equipment...in the fall, the leaves become wet and begin to decay--they become very slippery, which again, is a hazard.  Wind storms will cause older or dead limbs to become airborne projectiles... ask my kids what the last windstorm did just in our own backyard last year... my husband heard the wind coming and we all ran back towards the house--where my kids had been playing, a huge limb fell down in that spot.   Even a mild windstorm can do this-- when trees are used to the wind blowing in a regular direction (ex. North to South) but then an odd storm comes along and has a wind blowing in a diferent direction, then the tree is not used to this and the branches haven't developed the strength for that, and the branches will come off and land somewhere...hopefully not on "someone".  If someone is planting trees for shade, they need to take on the responsibility to have them properly maintained on a regular basis and be aware that yes, trees can pose a safety hazard.  With that said, I do think trees are an important part of a playground area and our environment in general, and if they can't be planted near the structures to provide shade, then to have some in an area to provide beautification, should be considered.
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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 18 Jul 07 2:47 PM
Obviously they must be maintained.  Monthly inspections are required on all playgrounds and all elements of that must be noted.  We have 36 playgrounds we maintain - almost all have large trees adjacent.  Someone inspecting the playgrounds needs to look at the trees and note any hazards and have them taken care of.  As to roots as tripping hazards- with 10 to 12" of mulch you are unlikely to trip.  All things in life present hazards- our cars, our diet, the way we do any number of day to day tasks-  there is risk in everything.  We just weigh the benefits against the risks.  If you are saying there is a liability there, I'm saying if you inspect and note and address problems in the playground in your inspections (including trees, benches etc) as is recommended, the chance of successful litigation is minimal.  I have had training in this matter from both a playground inspection (Certified Playground Safety Inspector) point of view and I am a Licensed Tree Expert in the state of Maryland.  Of course some people will always worry about trees, but people behave irrationally at times.  Anybody know a smoker, afraid of flying?
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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 18 Jul 07 11:47 PM Modified By merrywbee  on 7/18/2007 11:50:32 PM)

We must remember that most of the people visiting these forums are novices when it comes to planning playgrounds, and so I think it is important to point out that yes, there are some good tree choices for shade and that yes, there are risks associated with using trees for shade.  We come here to the forums to learn and get more information.  I was not saying there was a liability in choosing trees for shade...what I was saying was that improperly chosen and improperly placed trees do present a hazard.  I've been to playgrounds where the roots have been higher than the mulch level, and they were, and are, a trip hazard.  I've been to playgrounds with wet leaves on decks that are slick, particularly if the deck is made of wood.  I'm not thinking "liability" so much as I am thinking of my own two children, who will be playing on this particular playground that I am working on 180 days a year, and knowing that playground maintenance and inspections are only as good as the people doing them... I'm not worried about successful litigations so much as I'm worried about them slipping and tripping, along with the other 400 kids at the school.  We have trees on our playground, but not to shade the playstructures--to shade benches in the distance.  And yes, maintenance and inspection of the trees is going to have to occur regularly, for those reasons I mentioned.  I do not want our playspace to become one of those that I mentioned with roots that trip kids/adults, wet leaves on the decks, dead limbs coming down, and so forth.  There's enough of those around... people have to be informed from the start so that they can plan accordingly.  If they don't understand the reasons behind choosing certain trees and where to place them (or not), then they won't be prepared to maintain them either way. 

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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 23 Jul 07 10:28 AM

OUR PLAYGROUND IS WAY TOO BIG FOR SHADE STRUCTURES.  I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE TREES INTEGRATED NEAR PLAY AREAS.  THE HOTTEST SPOTS IN THE SUMMER ARE ALSO VERY DRY IN THE SUMMER, BUT THEY ARE EXTREMELY WET,WITH LARGE PUDDLES,  IN THE FALL AND SPRING.  IS THERE A TYPE OF TREE THAT CAN HANDLE THESE ADVERSE CONDITIONS AND DO WELL IN MICHIGAN?

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Re: Fast growing trees to shade playgrounds
Posted: 23 Jul 07 3:17 PM

Both of the elms I listed should do well in those conditions.  I would stick with those two varieties as 'Homestead' and 'Accolade' are both resistant to Dutch Elm Disease.  You may have to hunt a little to find them.  For sure they're available on the internet.  Other elm varieties are reported to be resistant but sometimes that is a little unclear. 

If they are within the playground, box out the area around them.  They won't tolerate placement of 10 inches of wood fiber over the roots.  Also be sure the trees and the timbers around them are outside the fall zones of the equipment.  We generally place them west of the equipment.  Morning sun is generally desirable and afternoon shade is also what you want.

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