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imgOfflineCarla2198
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Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 06 Mar 07 1:14 PM Modified By Carla2198  on 3/6/2007 1:14:51 PM)
I am on the Board of my townhouse community. We recently built a brand new playspace. It's beautiful, modern and the children seem to love it. But apparently so do local gangs. We've been experiencing "tagging" of our beautiful new surfaces and although we've managed to either repaint or remove the graffiti so far, we're trying to find some prevention ideas.

The playspace is fenced in by chainlink, but not locked. There is a climbing structure, swings, slide, benches and a full basketball court. It is by our community's pool (which is locked up), and a small parking area. So far the proposed solutions are to both a) remove the basketball court and b) to lock the large metal gate by the entrance (although it only prevents cars from entering, people can easily walk around the large gate).

Does anyone else have any experience with these issues? Any ideas to help prevent this from occurring? Any thoughts/comments/solutions/ideas are welcomed and would be MUCH MUCH appreciated!

Thanks in advance!
imgOfflineflowerbill1952
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 14 Mar 07 8:05 AM
Our City had a severe graffiti problem in years past in some locations.  It is much reduced because we immediately remove it.  This takes persistence but if someone tags that night and it is gone the next morning it becomes a waste of time for them.  We still have some graffiti but I would say it is far less.  We have someone check the areas hit most often 3x a week.  If we get a call about it from a citizen we try to remove it by the next day.
imgOfflineRPAG
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 08 May 07 4:25 PM
We have occasional vandalism at our park from some local teenagers.  The catch is we actually know where the kids live.  I'm hoping to get police involved in approaching their parents.  Maybe if the parents have some consequences, the kids will too!!  We are about to do a community build and hope that our efforts will not be compromised by vandals.  Is their anyway to police the park and find the culprits...AND their parents!
imgOfflineJeff Williams
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 18 May 07 11:21 PM
Maybe we've been lucky, but we have found that doing a community build helps reduce that kind of thing from nearby groups of kids.  Our old playground used to get lots of pretty nasty grafitti from the neighborhood kids, but I have a feeling that most of them saw what we were doing with the new one, and they saw people from the negihborhood involved.  Maybe wishful thinking, but it has been almost a year and in the only two instances of grafitti, we have evidence that it was by some groups further away. 
imgOfflinecekleinfelter
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 04 Jun 07 12:51 PM

Our school sits back from the road a bit and is not very visible to passersby.....so we too have frequent broken windows, tagging, and 2 weeks ago we had a piece of the playground stolen.

We just installed our Phase I at the end of Dec 2006, so this is very sad.  I am hesitant to replace the piece so soon, because I don't want to send a message to the vandals that we have a bottomless pit of money to replace items as soon as something happens to them, but I feel that the children of the school are being shortchanged.

We've posted video surveillance signs to scare off would-be vandals and I think it's helped a little bit, but I think we have too many older teens with no supervision and no money who don't have anyplace to go, so they come to the school to cause mischief.

It's very sad and we have lots of people in charge who don't know what to do about it either.  We don't have it as bad as larger cities, but since it took us 4 years to raise the money to building Phase I, it is disheartening to see.

If anyone has any wonderful ideas, please share them!  Cindy in Bremerton, WA

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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 04 Jun 07 2:32 PM
Does school district insurance cover these things?  Once a playground is installed, I would think that the district's insurance should cover the replacement of a piece, or at least partial cost.  Does anyone know?
imgOfflinecekleinfelter
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 04 Jun 07 10:49 PM

I think the insurance will cover equipment, however, in our instance, the item that was stolen was a seat and it is probably only $100 to replace, and the insurance deductible for an occurrence is $500......so as you can see, in this instance, insurance ain't doing nothing for us!

And with our district having a $3 M short fall and closing two elementary schools at the end of this month, even if the insurance would kick in, they would probably tell us they don't have the $500 to put towards the deductible anyway, so the PTA would have to come up with the money.

;-(   --Cindy

imgOfflineflowerbill1952
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 09 Jun 07 9:19 AM
I'd replace it immediately and see if there is a better way to attach it to make it less easy to remove.  If you have tagging there are a number of products for graffiti removal- just do a web search.  Not repairing invites more vandalism/indicates to them no one cares.
imgOfflinecreativesystems
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 15 Jun 07 9:51 PM

Instead of constantly battling the vandals you should educate your community and have them be the keepers of their own neighborhood. It will be what they make of it and they must understand that.

 

Austin Stanfel

Creative Recreational Systems, Inc.

916-638-5375

http://www.creativesystems.com

 

imgOfflinebgraham
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 06 Jul 07 2:31 PM
I think that there are a lot of good ideas on this post--painting over tags, using signage and fencing to help deter but not keep everyone out, and holding community forums to help answer questions and encourage ownership.  I'd also like to suggest a couple--program the playspace with things for teens and possibly have a mural painted with local teens in the area that was previously sprayed.  If you can find a way to design a program where the teens get paid to teach a basketball clinic, for instance, they will be much less motivated to damage a place where they have fun and get paid.  Or, if you could find a local artist to work with the teens to design and paint a mural that means something to them, I think you might find the same thing.  We are working on this type of project currently where we have built a community garden.  I'll let you know if it is successful.  Thanks.
imgOfflinecekleinfelter
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 08 Jul 07 11:25 PM

I don't know for sure who the vandals are, but if I had to guess, it would be nearby teen residents of the many apartment building complexes that surround the school.  We have a high number of low income families at our school and you hit the nail on the head, education.  Or, the lack there of.

How exactly do we go about giving them the education?  Most of the adults don't set foot in the school, don't volunteer, don't join the PTA, etc. and the rest care even less. 

The PTA has been doing the majority of the work and fundraising to put in the playground at this school.  The school district has no money to help in anyway, and has just closed 2 schools in June.

I love your idea, but don't see how to pull it off.  Flyers going home with kids yield little results -- they are rarely looked at.  How else do you get information to people?  Most probably don't subscribe to the local newspaper.  I can't put flyers in their mailboxes, that's against the law.

Anyone have ideas or suggestions -- I'd love to hear them!!

imgOfflineWest Grand
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 12 Jul 07 12:05 AM

We are placing a video surveillance in the skate park and have made this known to as many kids and parents as possible. So far our skate park has not seen any graffiti or vandalism.

Martha Schake
West Grand Community Skate Park
Kremmling, Colorado

imgOfflinejmbond
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 23 Jul 07 11:12 AM
My organization has built many playgrounds in the past few years.  Just recently we received a call from the police that one of our playgrounds had been vandalized.  There were nails and bolts that had been removed.  We had to put up a construction fence up around it until we could get it fixed.  I think the best thing to do to fight vandalizm is to get the neighbors involved in patrolling the park.
imgOfflinenrosenthal
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 25 Jul 07 5:05 PM
one interesting idea is to create a graffiti wall that is specifically designed to give vandals a place to vandalize that is not the playground. Has anyone created one of these walls, and if so, has it cut down on vandalism or has it brought more vandals out to the park?
imgOfflineveracourtcenter
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 06 Aug 07 11:02 AM
We just built a playground this past Saturday and due to recent break ins at our community center, we are worried about vandalism to our fun new playspace.  After reading through responses to the original post, I like the idea of having teens in the neighborhood design a mural. We thought about doing this on the back of the benches around the sandbox that we hope to build. This lets others know that 1) we beat you to ruining the playground by GIVING you a place to tag. 2) Tagging can be an art and supporting that form of art. I guess there will always sadly be people out to ruin something so cool, but I don't think it should discourage us from continuing to build playspaces for kids.
imgOfflinejcooper
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 10 Aug 07 10:40 AM
The graffiti issue strikes again...

Playground equipment in the Pittsburgh suburb of Jeannette was recently vandalized, prompting the Jeannette city council to promise strict penalties for further vandalism.

This wasn't mere spray paint. The renovated playground's slide was slashed with a knife before the park was even fully opened to the public.

Read more about the Jeanette story here: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/news/westmoreland/s_521329.html

Jason Cooper | Online Community Coordinator | jcooper@kaboom.org
imgOfflinemerrywbee
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 11 Aug 07 3:31 PM
I hope they do find out who did it.  To me, it is more than just "vandalism"... it borders on a hate crime.  It isn't a true hate crime, I know, but the people doing this know that the population that uses the playgrounds (kids) will be affected and hurt by it.  I think there should most definitely be stiffer penalties for those who vandalize playgrounds, followed up by community service hours.
imgOfflinemmphillips
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 05 Sep 07 2:28 AM

Hi Carla,

We recently constructed a new brick and granite entrance sign to our school.  We coated the brick with an anti-graffiti coating called Prosoco.  You can ask for it at Rodda Paint Stores.  Not sure if it can be used on play structures, but its worth a look at! mp :)

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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 05 Sep 07 2:45 PM
Boy did I speak too soon- Our City recently added a skate park and it is being hit heavily on a regular basis.  I'm pressuring for a video camera- we've already spent $200-$300 in graffiti remover- We're using a product called Taginator by the way, that works very well on concrete but must be used with a pressure washer rinse.
imgOfflinejcooper
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Re: Graffiti & Vandalism Issues...
Posted: 06 Sep 07 1:39 PM
Graffiti is an ingrained part of skater culture, flowerbill, I doubt all the cameras and paint remover in the world won't stop it.

Take a look at some of the skateparks in the Playspace Finder and you'll find some wicked art in and around skate parks. Perhaps you could consider organizing an event where you let the neighborhood paint the park. Or use the money you were saving for cameras and hire a professional to paint a mural.

Examples:
http://www.kaboom.org/tabid/285/CurrentPlaySpaceID/4777/Default.aspx
http://www.kaboom.org/tabid/285/CurrentPlaySpaceID/4855/Default.aspx

Jason Cooper | Online Community Coordinator | jcooper@kaboom.org
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