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I am only entering the ground floor of trying to get a playground at a public school site.  I have done a lot of online research on my own but could use the help of the more experienced Kaboom users.  The city in CT is in the middle of rebuilding the elementary schools. ....

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Rubber Mulch
Posted: 04 Feb 08 11:10 AM
What's the general consensus? Combustibility? Smell? Environmental concerns with wildlife? Loss of product? How often does it need to be replenished?
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 04 Feb 08 1:42 PM
By "rubber mulch", do you mean the chopped up, recycled tires?
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 12 Feb 08 10:56 AM
Yes.
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 06 Mar 08 12:33 AM
There are different types of rubber mulch. Will this be used for playground surfacing? If so, there are a few different options. Are you considering rubber over engineered wood fiber? Safety can be an issue with the type that you go with. Some types contain little pieces of metal that can be unsafe.
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 18 Mar 08 4:01 PM
When looking at rubber mulch as a safety surfacing, it is important to make sure it is ADA compliant.  I have walked across shredded rubber at a playground recently and I think it would be hard to get a wheelchair across it.  I also noticed that it kicks out much more than wood fiber so it is all over the place.
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 24 Mar 08 1:24 PM
    Rubber mulch has some advantages over other types of safety surface.  The higher end rubber mulch products such as those made by GroundScapes Technologies, do not attract bugs or animals, do not absorb water, and meet non-flammability standards.  Also, GroundScape Kids Premium ADA is the only loose-fill rubber safety surface that I know of that meets ADA testing for wheelchair accesibility.  Rubber mulch can be a good safety surfacing choice but I would also recommend poured in place rubber surfacing where it is economically feasable.  This is my first post so please respond if you have time.  Thanks, Ken
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 17 Apr 08 11:46 AM
Depending on the type of rubber you go with, engineered wood fiber is a great alternative.  The wood chips are actually cut in such a way as to lock together, and in this way a wheelchair can be wheeled right on top of them and the site is then fully accessible.  I've also experienced some rubber mulch that has gotten extrmely hot during the summer days, so if you are in a region of the country that gets extreme heat during the summer you might want to think of a material that won't heat up as much.
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 05 May 08 11:22 PM
I recently worked with Rubber Mulch (that is, chopped up tires) in Chicago.  I loved the product and it was rather fun to install as it came in bags, but I did notice some challenges related to it.  We wanted to use a nice depth compressed but it was a bit difficult to estimate how much mulch would be needed to compress to the desired depth.  The stuff's great -- it compressed really well -- but it compressed more than expected.  The other issue was that because we installed just a few inches ( think it was 7 or 8 when compressed), the kids could pretty easily kick up the surfacing to expose the landscape fabric below.  I would love to hear any suggestions for keeping the surfacing down.  Like I said, we loved the material, it was so soft and cushy, but a but difficult to keep installed properly.
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 07 May 08 11:29 PM Modified By bob43  on 5/7/2008 11:36:22 PM)
It is my personal and professional belief that disposing of a petroleum based toxic waste ,on childrens playgrounds, is a really bad idea. Never seen a loose fill rubber service, especially over time, that is truly accessible no matter what the manufacture says. Plus major problems and concerns with ease of dispersment, heat, fire, leching of oil and not sure of the short or long term side affects of a child swallowing tire peices. Oh! there is also the popular experience of tire pieces in childrens cloths and being run through hot dryer at home.
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 08 May 08 12:14 PM

Here's a recent article on rubber mulch:

Playground to try recycled-tire mulch
Material not as likely to attract bugs and rats

A mulch of recycled tires soon will be under little feet at Kids Place in Cole Park.

The popular children's play area is the first city park to get tire mulch installed, said Billy Delgado, the city's superintendent of parks and special projects.

The blue rubber mulch has been ordered and is expected in about a month.

The mulch comes in small chips of shredded tires and is used in place of wood mulch in landscaping and as protective cover under playground equipment.

It is safe, cleaned and shredded for use in playgrounds and in landscaping, said Ray Curran, superintendent of park maintenance. It has been cleaned and all the metal pieces removed.

The tire mulch also may help cut down on problems with bugs and rats. Curran said the manufacturers say it will, but he's waiting to test it.

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I never thought about the vermin factor before. Do people have problems with bugs/rats infesting their playgrounds?

 

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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 19 May 08 10:00 PM
I actually haven't heard of the rubber mulch before; however, we have explored several types of surfacing that is wheelchair accessible.  We have considered using the rubberized surface (not mulch ... it's all one smooth rubber surface) but are concerned about the cost and the potential for vandalism.  Given the fact that our school playground equipment has been vandalized in the distant past, we were concerned about potential replacement costs and decided to go with the wood mulch instead.  Just wondering if anyone has any experience with the rubberized surfacing and vandalism?
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Re: Rubber Mulch
Posted: 23 May 08 12:11 PM

One alternative to consider if you are still interested in rubberized surfacing but are worried about vandalism are rubber tiles.  This would allow you to replace individual tiles if they were damaged.  I would assume this would be easier than replacing poured-in-place EPDM rubber, but quite honestly don't know those cost comparisons.  Tiles are generally slightly cheaper as well, though not by much, and, of course, you will not be able to do colored designs the way you can with poured-in-place.  Engineered wood fiber (EWF) is certainly much cheaper than any rubber options, and while easier to replace if vandalized, does require more maintenance to keep it's accessible qualities.

The larger issue is obviously a concern about vandalism.  While we can't do anything to totally protect against such damage, there are community-building and community-engagement techniques that can significantly reduce the chance of vandalism on your playground.  For instance, I recently led a project where vandalism had been occurring on the site before our build took place.  With an organized effort to reach out to parents and community leaders, including a door-to-door awareness campaign, the playground organizers were able to craft a message that emphasized the playground was being funded and built by volunteers and not by government/public funds.  They had police assist them in talking to local teens suspected of the crimes and encouraged them to take ownership of the park in protecting it.  Nearly 3 months later, I am happy to report, there have been no further cases of vandalism.

On another project, a middle school campus bordered a playground that had recently been constructed.  Within a week after the construction, teachers after school caught teens destroying a shade structure and breaking picnic tables.  Large, free-standing plywood murals had also been painted and would've made perfect targets for the stone-throwing that was taking place.  However, they kids interestingly enough did not damage these murals.  The only logical explanation that the principal could offer was that due to the reverence for murals in Hispanic culture, and given that the offenders were first and second generation Hispanics, they had consciously or sub-consciously decided not to damage these murals.  The point of the story is, if a playspace is designed with reflections of the local culture, it is much more likely to be respected and maintained.  It would've also helped if we had of actively sought to include the middle school students in the design, planning, and building process.

We did do this on a skatepark build in Oakland, where again, a huge mural was hung on the fence surrounding the park.  Many had been concerned about the likelihood of this mural being "tagged."  To combat this prospect, we invited the teens around the park and adjacent community center to take part in the painting the mural.  On build day, we invited them to also take responsibility in carrying the piece and hanging it.  It took more than 20 kids to lift and carry the 16'x8' mural.  They had to work as a team, in a coordinated effort to move the piece without damage.  Afterward I asked one of the planners, "Should we hang this higher to avoid it being tagged?"  One of the youth turned to me and said, "Don't worry about it; we painted and carried this thing--none of us are going to touch it and we'll make sure no one else does either."  It's been 2 months since that project was completed and the mural has not been tagged or damaged.

You can find more great ideas for using a participatory, asset-based approach throughout our website.  Check out our toolkit and our service-learning curriculum examples.  If there is a We Play! coming nearby, sign-up for one of these KaBOOM! workshops.  There are also other great organizations and institutions that focus on community development.  One that KaBOOM! has worked with is the ABCD (Asset-Based Community Development) Institute out of Northwestern.  The Tipping Point, if you haven't read or heard of it, also has a great example of how New York city turned around some of the rampant vandalism taking place by keeping on top of maintenance and removal of graffitti and damaged property.  It showed that people cared about the spaces that were being damaged and that the type of behavior would not go unnoticed and that the community would not be defeated by such destructive acts.

Whatever you end up doing to combat vandalism, please remember to share it here on our forums and website so others can find inspiration and wisdom from your experiences.  Best of luck and happy playground planning!

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